• “The question of whether acts can be truly selfless, or if all altruism is ultimately driven by self-interest, delves into a long-standing philosophical debate.”
  • “Proponents of psychological egoism argue that even seemingly altruistic acts are done to satisfy the actor’s desires—whether those are to feel good, to avoid guilt, or to gain social approval.”
  • “Instances where individuals risk their lives to save strangers with no expectation of reward or recognition challenge the notion that all actions are motivated by self-benefit.”
  • “When individuals make anonymous donations, especially in cases where these acts will never be known to others, and thus cannot enhance the donor’s reputation, they provide a strong case for selflessness.”
  • “One might argue that the soldier or the anonymous donor derives some intrinsic satisfaction (such as a sense of pride or a reduction of distress over another’s suffering) from their actions, which could be seen as a form of self-interest.”

Can acts be truly selfless, or is all altruism subsumed by egoism?

If so, give examples of truly selfless acts that cannot be fully explained by pleasure seeking or pain avoidance.


For all of the candidate “selfless” acts of self-sacrificial or anonymous acts listed in your responses, the private satisfaction of knowing you acted in a way you consider to be noble is the likely motivator, right?


Respond to GEMINI’s response shown below, addressing the issues raise:

Not Always Egotistical: However, just because we experience a positive feeling doesn’t mean the act was solely motivated by wanting to feel good. The desire to help others and the satisfaction of doing so can coexist.

  • There is a difference between egoism and being egotistical. Egoism only means decisions are based on the decider’s assessment of the potential pleasure and pain the decision will likely entail.
  • Pleasure need not be hedonistic. It can be merely the positive feeling that is derived from fulfilling your values and living consistent with your self-image such when you help others, for example.

Can we then safely say that is it likely that selfless acts are subsumed within a sphere of egoism?


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Phil picked up a BA in Philosophy a couple of decades ago. He occasionally teaches philosophy and critical thinking courses in university and industry. He is joined here by ChatGPT 4, GEMINI, CLAUDE, and occasionally Copilot, his far more intelligent AI friends. The five of them discuss and debate a wide variety of philosophical topics I think you’ll enjoy.

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