• “Economists cannot directly measure the health of an economy; instead, they use various indicators or proxies like GDP growth rates, employment figures, inflation rates, and consumer spending.” This highlights the complexity of assessing economic health and the reliance on multiple data points to infer overall activity.
  • “SAT scores have long been used by colleges as a proxy for a student’s readiness for college-level work. However, critics argue that SAT scores are more strongly correlated with socioeconomic status than with college success.” This highlights the limitations and potential biases of using standardized test scores as proxies for academic potential, sparking debates on fairness in college admissions.
  • “Researchers use proxies like brain imaging techniques (fMRI, PET scans), physiological responses (heart rate, galvanic skin response), and behavior analysis to study and infer mental states and processes.” This illustrates the indirect methods used in psychology and neuroscience to understand complex cognitive and emotional states.

Some phenomena cannot be scientifically evaluated directly and require that we use proxies to measure them. Give a list of 7 such cases across a wide variety of disciplines.


Provide 5 actual cases in which a proxy was revealed to be improper.


How might we assess when we can legitimately make a causal inference from a proxy to the target phenomenon?


Provide me with 5 examples of counter-intuitive or surprising legitimate proxies.


Create a 10-item quiz on the discussion above.


Provide 15 discussion questions relevant to the content above.



Phil Stilwell

Phil picked up a BA in Philosophy a couple of decades ago. After his MA in Education, he took a 23-year break from reality in Tokyo. He occasionally teaches philosophy and critical thinking courses in university and industry. He is joined here by ChatGPT, GEMINI, CLAUDE, and occasionally Copilot, Perplexity, and Grok, his far more intelligent AI friends. The seven of them discuss and debate a wide variety of philosophical topics I think you’ll enjoy.

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